Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michigan State University Spartan Marching Band

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy keep, bad faith nom per User:Otto4711. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 22:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michigan_State_University_Spartan_Marching_Band[edit]

I see no significance. One source that isn't even accessible anymore. Bassgoonist 19:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep From the article:

The band has played for five U.S. Presidents, performed at four Rose Bowls, two World's Fairs, and one World Series.
The Spartan Band has toured the United States extensively, appearing in concert and on football fields in San Francisco, New York City, Dallas, Chicago, Indianapolis, Detroit, Las Vegas, Albuquerque, Orlando, St. Louis, Denver, New Orleans, Pasadena, Salt Lake City, El Paso, Tokyo, Tucson, San Diego, and Washington, D.C.[1]

If that isn't notable I'm not sure what is. Wildthing61476 19:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- Sudler Trophy awardee, the primary athletic band for Michigan State university, former Good Article canidate, part of the Michigan State University topic series, has pubished albums... it's also listed in the MSU navigation template. -- Upholder 19:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The source doesn't even exist. Bassgoonist 19:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really trying to assume good faith here, but this information is easily verifiable. I also noticed you have marked a number of Division I-A marching bands for speedy deletion as well. This is a very well known and award winning band. Wildthing61476 19:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I have to agree. It does appear notable per WP:MUSIC. I do believe though that someone should provide more sources. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 19:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't seen all the criteria, only a partial list. Now that I've seen it, it does appear this particular band does fall within those criteria. Bassgoonist 19:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC) However, the only criteria it meets is "Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country,3 reported in reliable sources." Notice it says sources, so we need sources. Bassgoonist 20:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Could do with a little stronger sourcing, but notability really isn't in question here. Arkyan  ^(talk) 21:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. 140 year old organization at a well-known school. It has received plenty of coverage. The fact that the sourcing in the article is a bit short does not mean that there is no notability. I would suggest to the nominator doing a quick, easy Google search to improve the sources rather than saying to hell with it and requesting the deletion of articles that don't come out of the box in perfect shape. Wikipedia is a work in progress, and this attempt at pruning notable organizations whose articles do not meet his or her quality standards is misguided at best. --Dynaflow babble 22:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Satisfies WP:N and WP:A. Added some references. The 300 member band, founded in 1870, has played for 5 U.S. Presidents, performed at 16 postseason bowl games, at two World's Fairs, for one baseball World's Series, and for nationally televised Thanksgiving Day professional football games. They won the 1988 Sudler Trophy [1] awarded by the John Philip Sousa Foundation, which recognized them as a band of "particular excellence that (has) made an outstanding contribution to the American way of life," and "demonstrated the highest of musical standards and innovative marching routines." Even thjough WP:MUSIC is not a policy, the national travel and performances for over 50 years, and the winning of the Sudler award satisfy WP:MUSIC.Edison 22:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, speedy close, suggest blocking the nominator - this is a bad faith nomination made in furtherance of a point because the nominator is upset that a marching band article he wants on Wikipedia got deleted. ~~Note in the deletion review the comment If you are to delete this article, you may as well go and delete all articles from any band in any college.~~ This nomination is a deliberate disruption of Wikipedia and the nominator should be sanctioned for it. Otto4711 22:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I am editing this following closure because I misattributed the above quote and it's important that be noted at the site of the attribution. I stand by my belief that this is bad faith and point but the nominator didn't post the quote in question. My apologies for the error. Otto4711 00:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.